allstars, brenda buttner, jonas ferris, and tobin smith and normally you would see them here on fox, bulls and bears, cavuto on business and forbes. and you'd see them, but this is labor day weekend, taxes, labor, employment, joblessness, very much in the news, we're live and that's what we're discussing today. cash for clunkers, a killer. wouldn't you agree, jonas max ferris. >> well, data if anything highlights. >> good try, stuart. >> how successful in juicing sales in a time when people didn't want a big ticket sales like a car. and the people were going to buy cars eventually and those sales declines we're seeing now, we took an advantage on future auto sales, which is what the point was to get people to buy during a recession. >> stuart: i hear some expleti expletive, tobin. >> it's about price and value discovery. when you give away money, you also, if you build mediocrity we've seen all over the world in other countries with these shenanigans and number two to your point, jonas, all you did, take sales in the future and advanced them to the front. tell me how this is stimulative. i